Aug. 31, 2026

Do Not Do What They Do: Jesus’ Warning About the Pharisees

Show Notes

This episode starts with a celebration of Dolly Parton’s extraordinary generosity and cultural impact, then moves into a serious theological conversation about hypocrisy, leadership, and what makes a church spiritually healthy or toxic. Mike, Suzie, and Tim connect Jesus’ warnings in Matthew 23 and Luke 12 to modern church culture, power, and the temptation to perform righteousness rather than live it.

Why was Dolly Parton so universally loved, from the left to the right? Should Churches have a tax exempt status or does that malform the Church, structuring it like a business? How are we, today, to relate to the Pharisees and Jesus's warnings about their posture?

Timestamps

00:00 - Dolly Parton as a cultural and moral icon

01:00 - Surprising examples of Dolly’s generosity

03:00 - Why Dolly is beloved across ideological lines

05:25 - The question of doctrinal purity and salvation

06:53 - Rob Bell versus Mark Driscoll and the “greater heresy” debate

08:08 - Measuring a life by fruit, dignity, and consistency

12:05 - Benny Johnson, Rome, and the irony of Christian empire language

15:07 - Listener question: can 501(c)(3) status shape toxic church culture?

16:40 - Suzie on tax status versus church culture

18:28 - When tax structure becomes an opportunity for corruption

21:37 - Tim on systemic abuse and why the model feels broken

24:41 - Why leadership still matters in the New Testament

26:08 - Ephesians 4 and leadership for church flourishing

27:33 - Hebrews 13, submission, and the danger of abusive authority

31:48 - Spiritual leadership modeled by Jesus, not American hierarchy

34:29 - Paul’s refusal to build status around himself

35:51 - Teaching through the first woe in Matthew 23

39:40 - Hypocrisy as “judging under” and split identity

41:30 - The yeast of the Pharisees as corrupting influence

43:49 - Fear, sparrows, and what Jesus says to disciples under pressure

47:38 - Three ways truth gets exposed: life, persecution, and final judgment

51:23 - Gehenna as a kingdom image, not a simplistic hell map

54:17 - The God who judges also knows and loves you

55:23 - Public confession, denial, and persecution

56:17 - Tim on work, power, and the American dream as a church model

58:38 - Why the point is not only identifying Pharisees, but avoiding becoming them

61:06 - Suzie on famous failures, confession, and being found out in mercy

63:35 - How secrecy and lack of truth-telling deepen corruption

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